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Rather than insisting on “Medicare for All” — Sanders’ trademark universal, government-funded health care plan — or the climate-change-fighting Green New Deal, Our Revolution is focusing on the more modest alternatives endorsed by President Joe Biden. Those include expanding eligibility for the existing Medicare program and curtailing federal subsidies for fossil fuel companies. The group says it wants to make sure Biden keeps his promises on those and other top issues

Well the CPUSA endorsed Clinton so I'm not sure they're totally wrong on this one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/e6okwy/totally_not_racist_progressives_and_moderates/

've gone out of my way to try and provide nuance to the Portland protests (they mostly are peaceful protests, they're only happening in a handful of blocks, the anarchist idiots only crawl out at night, etc), but I have exactly zero patience or inclination to find nuance in the current Kenosha riots.

Maybe someone actually there can provide an on-the-ground view that is more nuanced than the media coverage, but everything I've seen tells me it really is a fucking spurt of unhinged r-word energy.

Explain to me exactly what this shit: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2020/08/25/this-numbing-arson-and-damage-devastates-kenosha-businesses/3434651001/ is supposed to accomplish. And don't give me some abstract Marxist bullshit about how the small businesses are all petty bourgeoisie that side with the police state so they're justified targets. We're talking about people's jobs, and in some cases people's life's work, going up in smoke for something they had nothing to do with. In the middle of a fucking economy destroying pandemic and record unemployment.

The rioters have accomplished less than nothing for their cause, and in fact are probably just driving more votes towards Trump. Because after months of trying to misrepresent Portland as a city on fire, now the right actually has a city on fire to propagandize. Great, you set a garbage truck and a furniture store on fire. That'll really help with police reform, you fucking idiots.

If any of these morons wanted to actually fight the police, they would start making molotov cocktails and start chucking them at the lines of riot cops. Instead they seek out defenseless mom-and-pop stores because they're actually goddamn cowards playing at being revolutionaries.

and

LOVE FOR FUCKING WHAT EXACTLY?

LOVE FOR AMERICANS NOT BEING NOT ABLE TO GET HEALTHCARE?

OR LIKE A QUARTER OF THE COUNTRY LIVING IN POVERTY, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE NUTRITIOUS FOOD ON THE REGULAR?

OF MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK?

OF OUR UNSUSTAINABLE DEPENDENCE ON CARS?

OF HAVING THE LARGEST PRISON POPULATION ON THE PLANET?

WHAT FUCKING EXACTLY AM I SUPPOSED TO LOVE ABOUT AMERICA?

I HATE THIS FUCKING SHITHOLE.

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libs bio causes, demonize right ciounterpol

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inclusion lgbtq sameera khan and liberal tolerance which means to endure like lactose intolerant tolerance for drinking milk before being sick by it

must be fun goin along w crowd and not taking stand

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sex work neo,ib cap

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That subreddit has to be shut down. Fascists don't deserve a safe space.

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Because the people full of hate think that their politics are only an endorsement of that hate. Hence why political subreddits are often clouded with those jerks obviously trying to slam every minority. They see themselves as patriotic and morally superior when in fact they are the exact opposite.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/cqi5og/ragainsthatesubreddits_made_a_post_calling_out/

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The viewpoint that all of these raped, traumatized women are after all , merely in denial about them being trans, when they all attempted to be trans and it clearly wasn't the real issue any of them were having, is virtually more transphobic than what I am writing here.

Being raped and traumatized and getting that mixed up that for gender dysphoria as a deeply disturbed, confused teen is not the same thing as actually having gender dysphoria and being trans, and the people who were led to believe that transition would help them and had their lives ruined by it just desperately want help.

How is this transphobic? What do you guys think about this? Does this subreddit face similar issues with all this relentless censorship? I don't understand. We're just trying to raise awareness about a real issue that's destroying people's lives and is actually a huge threat to the trans community. If all these hurting teen girls keep getting their lives ruined, the medical community is just gonna pull the plug on everything and say the risk isn't worth it when they see how many people are having their lives destroyed by the trans healthcare industry (which based on countless stories I've heard from both trans and detrans people does not care about ANY OF US).

I'm sick of being told we shouldn't be allowed to talk about our suffering because SOME people MIGHT think it's a conspiracy made up by right-wingers. Okay but saying it's made up when it's not doesn't suddenly make me and thousands and thousands of other detransitioners who are struggling to learn to live with the regret of life-changing decisioms we made as disturbed teens suddenly disappear or make our problems disappear.

I would love to hear people's thoughts, but I'm sure this post will be removed before I even get to read any. Looking forward to my whole account ending up permabanned because apparently trying to raise awareness about both detrans and trans people being horribly abused by the medical system is transphobia, according to Reddit.

P.S. Dear Reddit mods, you are by definition the most transphobic people here because you keep promoting the idea that no one should ever question the obviously transphobic idea that sexual trauma and eating disorders makes you trans. IT DOESN'T. That's what detrans people are saying. We were never trans. We were traumatized and need help to feel whole again because medical transition was always only going to hurt us more and make us feel more alienated from our bodies.

Literally though how is it transphobic to say non-trans people will not benefit from medically transitioning??

pcm

https://youtu.be/AYBBEaoJT-s

Just looking at the Democratic Party and Republican Party wiki pages reveals immense bias.

One is full of buzzwords, no mention of controversy, and has zero fact-checking,

And the other is full of selective quotations, biased wording, and left-leaning “fact-checks” / opinion editorials attached right after almost every Republican policy description.

They literally cite The Guardian, Slate, Vox, Vice, Rolling Stone, and MOTHER JONES as “unbiased sources” in many of their politically centric articles which of course paints conservatives negatively.

There’s also empirical evidence highlighting systemic bias: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia/

I mean the alt right is huge on identity politics so they are pretty hypocritical for dumping on idpol lol

Their whole ideology is white identity politics

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Yes, for sure. Totally agree and find it hilarious that they dump on "identity politics" without realizing the irony

libertarian part of me thinks it's fine that these 3 grown adults entered into an agreement. Strange because what if the mother has second thoughts after giving birth?

The flip side is just like I think you should rescue dogs aren't there kids in orphanages? Wouldn't it be better to adopt? That's just me imposing my subjective opinion though.

Awww, that's not fair. It's okay to be revolted by both. Joe is making some solid moves. He hasn't released people from the concentration camps on the southern border yet though. It is a fair point.

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will tell then. There's no harm in preparing people for disappointment, if the alternative is that they become disengaged from politics. Obama promised much, failed to deliver even a post election commitment to his base to the fundamental change he had spoken of, and promptly lost his party the mid terms (along with his opponents inside the Democrat party).

We have been stuck in this cycle of Dem contradiction and creeping GOP fascism for 30 years. We have been stuck in the electoral farce, the slow decay after war and communism forced the postwar consensus into place, for longer. No great man of history has ever fundamentally changed its course and Biden is no different.

If you really care about the border, the international conditions that created it in its present form, or working class immigrants and citizens, then a grounded and systemic analysis is necessary. Elections and politics are a reflection of conditions much more than they are an influence on them. Dual power is important. State and Revolution, and also Imperialism, The Highest Stage Of Capitalism, explain all of this. Other leftists have different solutions.

~~We both want to see an end to the behaviour of institutions such as ICE, and the systemic reasons for them.~~

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~~He can't release people from racist concentration camps? That isn't a priority?~~

~~Dude claims to be a Catholic. So are many of those we're immorally imprisoning and abusing.~~

~~They've had years to "get it together", this has been an issue since Obama and Biden first built the cages. The fact he didn't have a plan and an EO on day 1 shows they don't rally care~~

Drama in r/therightcantmeme as moderator stickies a comment saying that biden is no better than trump, approxmately 20 comments deleted and said moderator edits it’s their comment to say “ If you make any argument defending, lesser eviling, or playing down kids in cages you will be banned”

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Did Biden release kids from cages today?

No.

Read State and Revolution.

EDIT: If you make any argument defending, lesser eviling, or playing down kids in cages you will be banned.

EDIT2: Locked due to mad lib brigades, ironically there was no actual drama here before you showed up, just a standard rules reminder that lesser evilism is not ok, same as we've had over on r/socialism's sidebar for many many months.

Reminder: This is not a liberal community.

We are socialists. Liberals are part of the right. If you're new to leftist spaces that don't regard liberals as left consider investigating this starterpack of 34 leftist subreddits across the whole spectrum of leftist tendencies on reddit. If the link doesn't work open it in a browser instead of your app.

(Inclusion in this list is not endorsement)

And also you should join ChaCha, stop putting it off DO IT.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/grvqzb/the_rational_centrists_arrive_in_force_when/

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/grdewo/to_all_the_people_ive_hurt_because_i_listened_to/fryb33a/

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughpetersonspam/comments/grdewo/comment/fryb33a/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Pinker#Awards_and_distinctions

Epigenetics is the study of how your behaviors and environment can cause changes that affect the way your genes work. Unlike genetic changes, epigenetic changes are reversible and do not change your DNA sequence, but they can change how your body reads a DNA sequence.

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chan meme about genocide denialism and Stalin gets posted to /r/ForwardsFromKlandma, and the People's Defense Brigade comes out to defend the Republic against such accusations

Main Thread

So a 4chan post gets shared to FFK, which chronicles some of the more racist (with extreme ones going to the Hitler version, r/forwardsfromhitler) Boomer-class shitposting.

Mentions of Uighur and Holodamor, naturally, bring out the tankies in full force.

Some choice bits:

Accusations the post is bait

Tankie reacting to Red Fascist, turning into a multi-comment slapfight

Straight up Mao apologia

The China shit is fake and the holodomor wasn’t a genocide, hope this helps!

The only fake ones on that list are holdomor and the Uighur camps.

Poster objects to /pol/ being posted, gets outed as a tankie

Claims that the Nazis invented the Holodamor

Obligatory AmeriKKKa

More claims the Nazis invented Holodamor

Gatekeeping Socialism

No True Tankie invocation

Obligatory CIA Propaganda

Flairs:

The T-Rex didn't go extinct, but deserved it

Have you met a Chinese person?

Brainwashed by CIA

Not denying genocide is liberalism

Reddit Hivemind decided your fate!

r/EnlightenedCentrism discusses if... both sides are just as bad as each other? Russia and NATO drama occurs as they discuss if having a middle ground in the face of an invasion is being an 'Enlightened Centrist'

r/EnlightenedCentrism is a subreddit initially developed to call out lukewarm fascists or insane comparisons between good and bad things. Generally speaking, the subreddit exists to call out those who try to equate good and bad things, and put them on equal terms. However, in the last few years, many online spaces have attracted elements of the extreme left. Many of whom, their only political philosophy being 'America bad'. Several threads are posted here, but the most prominent features a user posts an unusual text article, complaining that the sub has 'gone to shit' over the ridiculous idea that Putin has support from the left. He is met with different opinions.

NATO, a defence alliance in Europe which is funded also by the US, is criticised by many leftist groups for supporting 'US Imperialism' and in general, is seen as a bad thing by many leftist groups. Ukraine wants to join (or wanted to join) NATO.

However, in the face of a direct invasion by an non-American side, are both sides just as bad as each other? Did Ukraine force Russia to invade it? Will the neolibs fuck off back to their lib subs? Is having some nazis in your country an excuse to invade?

Large sections of the "left" are either actively playing defense for Russia or try to make this invasion of a fascist imperialist power about how NATO is somehow responsible and very bad. Oh yeah, and they totally gobbeled up the Russian state department propaganda about how Ukraine has so many Nazis because Azov Battalion.

Simple minded people cannot handle more complex takes than ‘good country vs bad country’ Hence why every time someone points out the continued nato expansion which went against the deal Bush has with Gorbachev they instantly assume you are on the side of Putin lmao. But the truth is the situation revealed a lot of people who are unable to handle this rationally and non stop push for emotional propaganda. ‘Many were mad that there were people pointing out the ghost of kiev story was fake, because god forbid you don’t support fake news that benefit the side you support

Russia is the bad guys in the war. Ukraine is still a bad country because it openly and proudly lets fascists in. Any country that has an openly fascist military wing is absolutely NOT good. Solidarity for the people. Fuck the russian and Ukraine military and government. I do not support fascists or imperialists or capitalists. All of things ukraine is. Support the people not the government. Realize one side is wrong in the war but that both governments are trash. The people who honestly support the ukraine government or military are supporting fascists. The people who support the russian government aren’t leftists, they are russian nationalists larping as leftists. Putin has said he wants to kill communists. Any leftist who supports that is not a leftist lmfao. And thats to say nothing about him being a warmongering psycho trying to get more power and money

I've been debating azov batallion stuff for two weeks now. Then putin talks about "denazifying ukraine". I don't want to sound cospiratorial, but this seems like a coordinated effort to me.

Two things or even 3 things can be bad at the same time folks. Recognizing that does not make one a centrist. Russia can be bad for invading Ukraine while the US can be bad for pushing global imperialist interests while Ukraine can be bad for bombing ethnic groups inside their own borders. All of these things can exist as bad at the same time.

Is that true? I've seen a lot of posts (rightfully) ridiculing whataboutism concerning NATO or whatnot

Sounds like enlightened centrism to me. Putin is bad. NATO exists to defend against Putin’s aggression. Not all things are equally bad on “both sides”.

There's a line in the sand and it's down to each individual to decide if they want to be on the side of the people causing violence and suffering or if they want to be on the side of the people trying to stop it from getting worse. This is not a political conundrum. Deal with it. Addendum; umming and ahhing is what led to Hitler steamrolling half of Europe. Take your heads out of your asses.

Please provide a list of how many countries Volodymyr Zelensky has invaded, how many journalists he has killed, and how many members of the opposition he’s had poisoned, stabbed, and thrown out windows you bootlicking thug

This is becoming a place for liberals.

This post implies that Zelensky and Putin are in opposing political ideologies

r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM tries not to be centrist for ten seconds (impossible challenge 99% fail!!!1!) fr tho saying both sides of a conflict are bad isn't automatically centrism. Thinking conflicts always have a good and a bad guy and that the general consensus on who's who is correct, that is peak centrism.

Yeah, the enlightened centrist take to being confronted with Ukraine killing its own citizens is, in fact, "Fuck Putin". Seriously, some people have been so indoctrinated in Putin hate that they'll support a government of conservative liberals that empowers neo-nazi militias by making them part of their national military. These are the same people that say Ukraine deserves "independence and self determination" while denying that to the DPR and the LPR. As if they haven't been fighting for independence and self determination for 8 years now against the Ukrainian government. But binary thinking is all the rage, so it has to just end at "Putin bad". Only one person in any given situation can be "the bad guy". Everyone else is obviously ok.

Youre not being criticized for saying fuck Putin, youre being criticized for defending a nazi enabler

ffggggg

I'm from suburban new york (long island). They had a meet up at a local bar before the 2020 election in September. They spent the whole time trying to recruit younger apolitical people and having loud conversations trying to "own the libs" and saying things in front of gay customers to try to make them uncomfortable and leave.

I was outside having s cigarette and 4 of them started to talk to me. They asked who I voted for and supported I told them bernie sanders. They didn't seem to mind that fact. As we continued to talk they were really parroting 4 Chan posts and stuff like that. One of them said that if I got loud and confrontational they would "leave me in a pile"outside the bar. I laughed it off. Another one said he was a libertarian. I told him that if you support border controls and the wall then you were not a libertarian and showed him the libertarian party position on immigration. He was shocked. The one who threatened me asked what I had against Trump. I said my three issues were his environmental policy. His corporate tax cuts and his overly close relationship with Israel. The Israel issue and the corporate tax cuts actually split the four. I said how is Trump America first when he is more than any other president a massive supporter of zionism giving them money while our country suffers. The one who threatened me looked pissed at me and said he was tired of talking to me and walked back inside the bar. The one who thought he was a libertarian and another said they don't encounter leftist people who speak to them calmly and begrudgingly said I had some good points before leaving the bar.

I think that they exist in an echo chamber of their own like pmc libs do but if you can speak clearly and calmlyand have your thoughts lined up logically they really are paper tigers. They are organized and disciplined so don't think they are not so. I did notice that every conversation they had was about trying to recruit people and that must be respected and countered on the left.

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There's comments trying to say that they're not white supremacist because they have non-white members... how do people fall so easily for tokens.

Even so, I'm not okay with self-proclaimed western chauavanists just because they're not white.

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When you make a hole sub basted off of making fun of so called "identify politics" this is where it leads

I’ve found that regular left wing subs like this one do a good job of criticizing liberal identity politics.

been an right-wing recruiting ground from the moment it begun. They just prey on people who might become left-wing but are somehow stuck on "Muh purple-haired SJW's!"

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Before really looking at the sub I thought it was more of an anti-liberal-identity-politics place. Yknow? I really thought it was to make fun of say, MeToo people who then defended Biden from rape allegations or something. And then I looked at it.

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Yea I stupidly assumed the same

said there's a red/brown alliance on that sub, and I almost said "you mean brown/brown alliance?" I bet a good percentage of the "reds" on that sub are sock puppet Nazi...err Very Proud And Special Good Boy accounts propagandizing to the people who might have have been genuinely leftist had they not first looked for info on leftism in the well-poisoned sub, the poor bastards. We see that at work here and man does it suck, but I'd like to think anyone who seeks to build a worldview that actually makes sense will quickly see how contradictory and harmful that sub and places like it that offer this kind of "leftism without class consciousness or solidarity" truly are

I'm a leftist, I just think that identity politics is harmful to the left.

Why yes, I do have sympathy for Western chauvinist gangs and feel uncomfortable when people make jokes about LGBT pride to mock them.

Nothing red about that sub. They furthest left on that sub are chauvinistic socdems. They dont even like Stalin or Lenin. Theyre not even nazbols. Just libs who want healthcare for white people.

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This is true. It already is a nazbol sub, but in the near future it will also be a nazbol sub too.

Those poor proud soys ;c

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Not at all what OP said. You actually think these people sympathize with proud boys?

We have no "official" beef with any other leftist sub other than they take themselves way too seriously. There are many places that auto-ban our users because they believe we are a hive of NatSoc types rather than a group with 90% the same views. In truth no one here thinks or talks about them much

you guys don't ban wrongthinkers on sight and they're extremely uncomfortable with that.

Most of my dislike for America comes from the other people that live here, with the rest coming from the unspeakable things we’ve done to other countries around the globe. As much as my fellow Americans make me want to put a snub nose in my mouth, you’d have to be a complete piece of shit to say they deserve to live in a shitty country because of that. I’ve never understood how people don’t get that you can still wish for a better country even if you’re not crazy about it, it seems like a reasonable thing to me to just want the world around you to be a better place despite your other opinions about it.

Also despite what the other guy replying is saying, I do have a teensy bit of fondness for where I’ve grown up and the state I live, and I’d like to see it in a better place if I’m going to live here for a while.

Hawkins

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but you have to actually have some love for the place to want to improve it.

i've had about an hour to dwell on this

and

LOVE FOR FUCKING WHAT EXACTLY?

LOVE FOR AMERICANS NOT BEING NOT ABLE TO GET HEALTHCARE?

OR LIKE A QUARTER OF THE COUNTRY LIVING IN POVERTY, AND NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE NUTRITIOUS FOOD ON THE REGULAR?

OF MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK?

OF OUR UNSUSTAINABLE DEPENDENCE ON CARS?

OF HAVING THE LARGEST PRISON POPULATION ON THE PLANET?

WHAT FUCKING EXACTLY AM I SUPPOSED TO LOVE ABOUT AMERICA?

I HATE THIS FUCKING SHITHOLE.

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me shy

If you want to make fun of libs on twitter you really shouldn't need to scrap the barrel. Like...it's twitter.

Everything is ableism or some shit

They’re describing themselves with their title.

Shitliberalssay, like most leftist subs, is an IDpol hivemind that bans anyone who's critical of even the most extreme forms of identity politics on the left. Eventually they decided to blanket ban users of this sub to save their mods some time.

Scerus

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The shitliberalssay part refers to themselves, great self awareness on their part

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Closeted libs

tickfeverdreams

Rightoid 🐷

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I thought they were commies, making fun of the the moderate liberals.

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madeofmold

Left, Leftoid or Leftish ⬅️

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THEY thought they were commies making fun of moderate libs. They are also fairly moderate libs

They’re anarchkiddie (liberals). We trash liberals. Simple as that

Honestly, even if people people want to split hairs about how they are technically not liberals, they are just about as effective as liberals, so should be called as such.

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I don’t care how you got to the position of supporting the state department line, if you landed on that line… ya might are be a rednec —- liberal.

This might be the worst comment on Reddit. They aren't anarchists, they're literally mega tankies who obsess over the USSR, the Kim Dynasty, and the CCP

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Look dude, why don’t you go deal with your narrow urethra somewhere else. Bwah

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sub doesn't really have a beef with them, beyond occasionally saying how shit they are if they are mentioned. SLS though is a full on radlib cuck sub for degenerate liberal globalists what have decided to larp as stalinists for some incomprehensible reason, and they ban users of this sub, among others, to preserve their revolutionary safe space.

they are obsessed with idpol

I got banned for telling them that NSBM is bigger than ever not because everyone is becoming nazis but because they want to piss off liberals.

I got called a “chud” a bunch of times and got the ban hammer by the rainbow hammer and sickle

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I frequent both subs and views overlap massively. Despite this, small areas of contention are enough for both to hate each other and call each other shitlibs. Feels like when your parents are fighting.

They’re tankies. They ban everyone who disagrees with them

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I'm an ML and was banned because I said that Russia has no right to be in Ukraine even though their official line is neutrality🤷‍♂️. They are fanatics and take themselves too seriously.

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I would say the sub makes fun of similiar things as stupidpol, but in a very one sided way:

Shitsliberalssay pretty much only talks about the most retarded neolib takes (usually twitter screenshots) and people on there are pretty much unwilling to engage critically with countries that oppose the USA, like China. I've genuinely seen some of the most idiotic takes on there on topics like the uyghurs getting traction and a lot of upvotes, without any critical discussion.

They also call anything and anybody fascism and fascist/nazi and get rather hysterical, which ... kind of makes them look like liberals as well, funnily enough. They're Idpolers in their own way.

We're clearly Nazbols! didn't you get your nazi welcome email when you subbed? If you didn't message the mods /s

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Decent sub until it was taken over by chapo tankies and unironic libs

they occasionally ban ML’s too. It’s a radlib sub that likes to wear the aesthetics of further left political positions like MLism.

Still it’s better than most subs on this godforsaken website some of the time, but that’s a low bar really. They love woke idpol a lot though, hence why they’re radlibs.

They're tankies, and like all tankies, they're unhinged ultra-idpol freaks.

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Tankies were quite socially conservative.

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Since the 60s they haven't been.

Lol they are not tankies more like Trots and the like, they advocate "leftist unity" which no ML does.

Humorousphlegmflam

"As a Psychology Major:"

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They’ve got an auto banner bot because 75% of this sub conflate lgbt issues with neoliberalism & they don’t wanna deal w it. Respond to the ban notice & a mod will unban you

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That’s why they don’t seem to like my username!

I was recently banned from r/ShitLiberalsSay. I wonder if being on Stupidpol is the reason. I haven't contacted the mods yet, but it was definitely an autoban like this one.

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finna_wesome

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Back when this sub was smaller there actually used to be a large overlap between the two subs- they have tried to ban stupidpol users before but either a) their algorithm sucks or b) they only ban you if you use certain keywords because I’ve been using both subs for like 20 months and still haven’t been banned

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🌗 Paroled Flair Disabler 3

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mainstream shitlibs are slowly taking over leftist oriented subreddits.

I noticed that on r/LateStageCapitalism and did not think much about it, but now I see more and more leftist oriented subreddits are turning slowly into ID pol shitlib subreddits

LSC and collapse are full of DNC worshiping zoomers now

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Collapse was always shit, ton of reactionaries on there. Hardly even a leftist sub

But LSC did go lib mode when it got too big. The mods are still Marxists, but the community itself if just bernie-lite. Same as therightcantmeme

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Collapse was a weird mix of anarchists, Marxists and far right survivalists.

wish they were tankies. They are actually wokies

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They're LARPers, 100% woke. After complaining about my ban I was told directly by one of them that I won't be reinstaed because I hang out in this "racist sub".

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Unfortunately both come hand in hand quite often in the west, and that has been a thing for a while, just take a look at Sarre and Debauvoir. Western tankies are filled with contradictions now days

That's not even good political advice, that's just good practice all around. The default subs are horrid and the mods are practically always powermods.

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HighProductivity

bitten by the Mencius Moldbug

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What's that stat? 6 mods alone own the top 200 subreddits? I wish I had the foresight to get a sweet jannie gig back when I still cared about reddit, they must be raking ... hundreds.

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I'm just thinking about how a janny on 4chan got caught commissioning deranged BBC art. You have to be fucked in the head on some level to be a janny

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Supposedly back in the very early days when A4ron Sw4rtz was around the platform strongly valued free speech. When I first started using it in 2011 there were still very few if any restrictions on free speech. I think E//en Pa0 was when things really went to shit and this place basically became tumblr 2.0. Sp3z had his most totalitarian instincts checked by other founders in the early days, but since taking complete control he has been even worse.

Still, I think reddit has been mostly reactive and not proactive on this stuff. As the internet and as mainstream culture has grown more pro-censorship, reddit has enthusiastically joined them. Ask anyone under 20 these days and they are all vehemently pro-censorship. There has been a concerted psyop by the alphabet soup agencies to make people love censorship and mass surveillance, and it has worked marvellously. Sw4rtz is probably spinning in his grave.

I have altered some of the names above because admins scan for them and ban people who talk openly about it. I’m not joking.

And the appointment of Reddit's current policy director was a sacrifice to the deep state.

"Ashooh, who had been a Middle East foreign policy wonk at NATO’s think tank the Atlantic Council, was appointed at around the same time that the Senate Select Intelligence Committee was demanding more control over the popular website, on the grounds that it was being used to spread disinformation"

https://mronline.org/2021/06/14/jessica-ashooh-the-taming-of-reddit-and-the-national-security-state-plant-tabbed-to-do-it/

If you run any subreddit on the radar of Reddit normies, and you don't curate it according to neolib norms, brigaders will likely astroturf dissent then turn to Reddit admins who will "liberate" it. Or if your sub is deemed inherently "problematic" it'll just get banned without explanation during some mass purge justified by a media event.

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on the grounds that it was being used to spread disinformation"

We seal off the city. Contain the spread of misinformation...

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That's actually verified to be true. r/neoliberal is indeed funded by the DNC.

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Avery-Bradley

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Source? That's interesting

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Lazar_Taxon

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It's affiliated with the Progressive Policy Institute, the think tank founded by the DLC to be "Bill Clinton's brain trust".

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was more libertarian, hell it was way more socially conservative as well. I remember seeing people post about American Black crime rates or in anti-immigrant ways seriously in default subs and get a lot of support for it.

It changed pretty massively in the last few years. 2021

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A wise man once said that all anti-sub subs are an aggregator for places you should at least look into.

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The whole reason I found this sub was due to someone talking shit about it lol, I think it was chapo

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dumbwaeguk

y'all aren't ready to hear this 🥳

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for people who claim to be opposed to the ostracization of hand-to-mouth renters and the homeless and to landlords in general, it's crazy how angry they are at the man who lives in their heads rent-free

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Can confirm that Stupidpol was the reason I got banned from SLS. Which is OK because the more I visit that sub the more it smacks to me of Teenager’s First Communism.

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The mod on there called me a mayo and a cracker once lol, then he banned me because I said that Iran is not a good country to live in

Literally the same thing happened to me multiple times. I’m Persian too. We are white when it’s convenient for the wokies and brown when it’s convenient for the conservatards.

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SaberSnakeStream

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On another sub they called me a gusano lol. Wait till they find out about the whole Nazi race pyramid thing embedded in the politics there

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A race pyramid in Iran? Yeah Persians aren’t too nice to the other Iranians unfortunately lol

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Azeris are in the middle tier because they have a country to run away to.

You should see the entire southwestern portion of Iran. Looks like it just got bombed out of the middle ages (it did)

I'm

zeris are in the middle tier because they have a country to run away to.

You should see the entire southwestern portion of Iran. Looks like it just got bombed out of the middle ages (it did)

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I love hearing from my Mom and her family about we the Lurs were untouched by Arab blood.

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kikkomanche

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But yeah Iranians, at least in America, kind of get the shit on both ends. Grew up being disliked by rightoids because Middle Eastern, but also have nothing in common with the broader "Islamic community" or whatever. I've been flamed by various white people for saying that Israel is the safest place if not the only safe place for a woman to travel to alone in the Middle East

Same here, they said the mods are all alt-right

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LMAO.

I guess I will take the ban as a badge of honor then.

Easy to get banned from there. Just talk shit about Democrats

You can pretty much thank thatcommiegamer for running both subs into the ground

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Liberalism is when you don't recognise Russia, Iran and North Korea as AES

Socialism is when you oppose anglos, the more anglos you oppose the more socialister it is.

No SLS, you are the liberals

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100%

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Yeah, they ban “Stupidpollers” from that sub. That’s why I caught a ban on that sub. Worst part is, it was just one comment in a huge thread and I didn’t say anything negative.

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I got banned too, but that's because I'm a shitlib lol. I always thought this sub and SLS were very ideologically aligned.

arcticwolffox

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"God will know his own"

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tele68

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I would call us the Gnostics but it'll go over their heads

still remember the catgirl ban drama. You're not a real socialist until you've been banned from r/socialism.

Leftist social media is a cringe dystopia where big corporation capitalists rebrand themselves as leftists because they support minorities while seeing the end of capitalism as a "white people" thing. Nothing new there

try pointing out in any socialist sub that liberalism is our enemy and see how long til you get banned.

i legit can't tell if this is some kind of social media COINTELPRO shit or if the propaganda machine is so overwhelming in the US that even self-styled marxist-leninists can't imagine anything beyond liberalism

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try pointing out in any socialist sub that liberalism is our enemy and see how long til you get banned.

Nah, r/socialism hates liberals.

And they define 'liberal' as, "Anybody who questions glorious leader!"

exactly.

most of them are just democrats who really like china lol

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Not just big corporations, even fundamentalist Christians rebranded themselves as feminist activists in order to advance their anti-sex agenda.

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Yeah that's right. Third wave feminism and fundamentalist Christians have a massive puritan ideology in common. But hey, it's in the name of progress so it's different 🤡

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don't know if any of you hangs out on imgur, I do from time to time and in the last few years I witnessed the transformation of the site into a Democratic shithole.

Every single political post that gets to the front page is either something against Trump/Trumpers/Republicans in general, or some propaganda post (often ludicrously false) against a country not aligned with US interests (could be Iran, Syria, China, Venezuela, Russia, Cuba, and so on...

e creatures outside looked from r/socialism mod to r/politics mod, and from r/politics mod to r/socialism mod, and from r/socialism mod to r/politics mod again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

r/socialism Talk about the synthetic left

re glowies and pcm congregate.

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Buncha has-beens. They were a weird cult with tons of purges and infighting before Chapo thoroughly knocked them off the map. Then they never recovered. Can't really see the point in participating there anyway, they get no traffic

Because they ban 99.9999% of people who dare post a comment on their sub.

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Classic leftist catch 22

Aren’t they the subreddit that treats the word “stupid” as an ableist slur?

If so, I welcome their ban.

If you call them a bunch of CIA spooks, you'll get banned for saying the word "spook."

went through their rules and they seem like a barrel of laughs!

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I love the "this is a community" rule.

Step 1: Make a subreddit about a topic that profits from discussions and debates. Step 2: Ban debates with people who don't agree with you. Big smart.

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What I really need is some clever university student to police my shit. I love it when people who have nothing in common with my upbringing or economic reality tell me that I should be better and learn to cow to their fickle values

was banned for commenting that wishing death on trump when he had covid was scummy. The message i got was 'liberal rhetoric'

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There is nothing wrong with wishing death on billionaires of any flavor.

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Wishing death on billionaires is praxis. Not wishing death on them deserves a temporary ban at the very least.

Yes there is. You should not wish death on people for simply living their life. Wish death on a tyrant, on a genocider, on a serial killer. Dont wish death on people for being born into wealth

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Your ban was well-deserved

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ice to know Marx would be banned from r/Socialism

Drop a particularly stupid opinion in public, people come and shit on your opinion like the toilet it is. "Fucking sealions."

Such a stupid term.

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I've really liked people that do this. It's gotten me to learn about things I haven't in order to support my arguments.

I try to source most things I say, but when they find some aspect to go after getting the sources and proof needed together against them helps me out.

One of the times was learning about East African maritime cultures to support the argument that Africa wasn't literally just herders and tribes and had proper iron age kingdoms throughout most inhabited areas

Except youknow, radlibs who agree on the economic stuff are our comrades, they aren't and shouldn't be locked out for wrongthink.

The issue of exclusion in that regard really goes one way.

More importantly than convincing them the idpol stuff is dumb is convincing them that the splintering over idpol is dumb that even if people say something they disagree with like in the picture those people might still agree with all the other stuff so you can work towards that together (they are willing to work with conservatives within the democratic party so why not here) Class Unity operates within the DSA for a reason, its not effective to go off and form yet another group based on what really is in the grand scope of things minor ideological differences when compared to the rightoid establishment.

We agree that the castle should be taken, we can bicker after we take it..

The biggest disagreement on strategy in socialism is reform vs revolution and even that isn't unresolvable as those in favor of revolution can work towards reform until the revolution happens and then if it doesn't they would at least have spent their time working towards some positive change.

isn't a minor ideological difference

It is though, I mean we all agree that racism, sexism etc are big important issues that should be fought wherever possible and from there to thinking that fighting those things means affirmative action is a small step.

it seems like the majority of the DSA hate them.

But they haven't been kicked out and they are having their voices heard and they are growing, do you honestly think their growth isn't mostly from other people within the DSA? The radlibs are prime recruitment ground for class-first socialists, far more so than the neolib democrats or even conservative republicans. These are people who agree with us on like 95% of stuff.

In my experience it isn't possible to have productive relationships with people that think you are racist or sexist for advocating class politics.

And in my experience it's perfectly possible, not to mention a lot of this internet stuff instantly gets way way turned down IRL which means physical organization is an entirely different beast to online interaction, what experience do you have that makes you think its impossible?

do you honestly think their growth isn't mostly from other people within the DSA?

I would guess those people are not radlibs seeing the error of their ways but people new to the DSA and socialism who are more of a blank slate politically or older class-first leftists coming back to organising. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

The radlibs are prime recruitment ground for class-first socialists, far more so than the neolib democrats or even conservative republicans. These are people who agree with us on like 95% of stuff.

Again my experience is the exact opposite of this. Radlibs I've known are socialists as an affectation and afterthought. Their overriding interest is in baizuo cultural shit and most of them are PMC careerists who would never risk their progression to organise economically. Completely useless and I've never seen one of them turn towards class politics yet.

what experience do you have that makes you think its impossible?

Dealing with the kind of people who made that 'not my comrade' cartoon in activist circles since (and before) Occupy. Specifically, the IWA section I was a member of degenerating from an organisation doing solid class-based activism to having feminist working groups about sexism at work (reasonable) and then disintegrating over a cartoon about Julien Assange. There was a clear and quick progression from 'idpol but ok' to 'total radlib victory' that other people here have also noted

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https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRightCantMeme/comments/l3bun7/comment/gkea17j/?context=1

https://www.reddit.com/r/stupidpol/comments/aew4uj/jordan_peterson_critique/

ccording to Peterson, his main goal was to examine why both individuals and groups participate in social conflict, exploring the reasoning and motivation individuals take to support their belief systems (i.e. ideological identification)[13] that eventually results in killing and pathological atrocities like the Gulag, the holo. cast, and the Rwandan genocide.[1][13][14] He considers that an "analysis of the world's religious ideas might allow us to describe our essential morality and eventually develop a universal system of morality."[14]

In line with Peterson's reasoning, there exists a struggle between chaos (characteristic of the unknown, e.g. nature) and order (characteristic of explored, mapped territory, e.g. culture). Humans with their capability of abstract thinking also make abstract territoriality—the belief systems that "regulate our emotions." A potential threat to an important belief triggers emotional reactions, which are potentially followed by pathological attempts to face internal chaos, despite that "people generally prefer war to be something external, rather than internal … than re-forming our challenged beliefs." The principle in-between is logos (consciousness), and heroic figures are those who develop the culture and society as intermediaries between these two natural forces.[1] In that sense, the "myth represents the eternal unknown … known … knower," the latter being the hero who "slays the dragon of chaos" like Saint George, resulting in "maturity in the form of individuality."[4] Throughout the book, Peterson attempts to explain how the mind works, while including illustrations with elaborate geometric diagrams (e.g. "The Constituent Elements of Experience as Personality, Territory, and Process").[6]

Peterson's critiques of political correctness range over issues such as postmodernism, postmodern feminism, white privilege, cultural appropriation, and environmentalism.[46][54]

Writing in the National Post, Chris Selley said Peterson's opponents had "underestimated the fury being inspired by modern preoccupations like white privilege and cultural appropriation, and by the marginalization, shouting down or outright cancellation of other viewpoints in polite society's institutions",[55] while in The Spectator, Tim Lott stated Peterson became "an outspoken critic of mainstream academia".[24] Peterson's social media presence has magnified the impact of these views; Simona Chiose of The Globe and Mail noted: "few University of Toronto professors in the humanities and social sciences have enjoyed the global name recognition Prof. Peterson has won".[29]

According to his study – conducted with one of his students, Christine Brophy – of the relationship between political belief and personality, political correctness exists in two types: "PC-egalitarianism" and "PC-authoritarianism", which is a manifestation of "offense sensitivity".[56] He places classical liberals in the first type, and places so-called social justice warriors, who he says "weaponize compassion", in the second.[17][2] The study also found an overlap between PC-authoritarians and right-wing authoritarians.[56]

Peterson considers that the universities should be held as among the most responsible for the wave of political correctness which appeared in North America and Europe.[29] According to Peterson, he watched the rise of political correctness on campuses since the early 1990s,[57] and considers that the humanities have become corrupt, less reliant on science, and instead of "intelligent conversation, we are having an ideological conversation". From his own experience as a university professor, he states that the students who are coming to his classes are uneducated and unaware about the mass exterminations and crimes by Stalinism and Maoism, which were not given the same attention as fascism and Nazism. He also says that "instead of being ennobled or inculcated into the proper culture, the last vestiges of structure are stripped from [the students] by post-modernism and neo-Marxism, which defines everything in terms of relativism and power".[24][58][59]

And so since the 1970s, under the guise of postmodernism, we've seen the rapid expansion of identity politics throughout the universities, it's come to dominate all of the humanities – which are dead as far as I can tell – and a huge proportion of the social sciences ... We've been publicly funding extremely radical, postmodern leftist thinkers who are hellbent on demolishing the fundamental substructure of Western civilization. And that's no paranoid delusion. That's their self-admitted goal ... Jacques Derrida ... most trenchantly formulated the anti-Western philosophy that is being pursued so assiduously by the radical left.

— Peterson, 2017[58]

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— Peterson, 2017[58]

Peterson says that postmodern philosophers and sociologists since the 1960s[54] have built upon and extended certain core tenets of Marxism and communism while simultaneously appearing to disavow both ideologies. He says that it is difficult to understand contemporary Western society without considering the influence of a strain of postmodernism thought that migrated from France to the United States through the English department at Yale University. He states that certain academics in the humanities

... started to play a sleight of hand, and instead of pitting the proletariat, the working class, against the bourgeois, they started to pit the oppressed against the oppressor. That opened up the avenue to identifying any number of groups as oppressed and oppressor and to continue the same narrative under a different name ... The people who hold this doctrine – this radical, postmodern, communitarian doctrine that makes racial identity or sexual identity or gender identity or some kind of group identity paramount – they've got control over most low-to-mid level bureaucratic structures, and many governments as well.[58]

Peterson's perspective on the influence of postmodernism on North American humanities departments has been compared to Cultural Marxist conspiracy theories.[38][60][61][62]

Peterson says that “disciplines like women's studies should be defunded” and advises freshman students to avoid subjects like sociology, anthropology, English literature, ethnic studies and racial studies, as well as other fields of study he believes are corrupted by the Neo-Marxist ideology.[63][64][65] He says that these fields, under the pretense of academic inquiry, propagate unscientific methods, fraudulent peer-review processes for academic journals, publications that garner zero citations,[66] cult-like behaviour,[64] safe-spaces,[63] and radical left-wing political activism for students.[54] Peterson has proposed launching a website which uses artificial intelligence to identify and showcase the amount of ideologization in specific courses. He announced in November 2017 that he had temporarily postponed the project as "it might add excessively to current polarization".[67][68]

Peterson has criticized the use of the term "white privilege", stating that "being called out on their white privilege, identified with a particular racial group and then made to suffer the consequences of the existence of that racial group and its hypothetical crimes, and that sort of thing has to come to a stop. ... [It's] racist in its extreme".[54] In regard to identity politics, while the "left plays them on behalf of the oppressed, let's say, and the right tends to play them on behalf of nationalism and ethnic pride" he considers them "equally dangerous" and that instead should be emphasized individualism and individual responsibility.[69] He has also been prominent in the debate about cultural appropriation, stating it promotes self-censorship in society and journalism.[70]

On September 27, 2016, Peterson released the first installment of a three-part lecture video series, entitled "Professor against political correctness: Part I: Fear and the Law".[21][71] In the video, he stated he would not use the preferred gender pronouns of students and faculty, saying it fell under compelled speech, and announced his objection to the Canadian government's Bill C-16, which proposed to add "gender identity or expression" as a prohibited ground of discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act, and to similarly expand the definitions of promoting genocide and publicly inciting hatred in the Criminal Code.[71][72]

He stated that his objection to the bill was based on potential free speech implications if the Criminal Code is amended, as he claimed he could then be prosecuted under provincial human rights laws if he refuses to call a transsexual student or faculty member by the individual's preferred pronoun.[73] Furthermore, he argued that the new amendments, paired with section 46.3 of the Ontario Human Rights Code, would make it possible for employers and organizations to be subject to punishment under the code if any employee or associate says anything that can be construed "directly or indirectly" as offensive, "whether intentionally or unintentionally".[74] Other academics and lawyers challenged Peterson's interpretation of C-16.[73]

The series of videos drew criticism from transgender activists, faculty and labour unions, and critics accused Peterson of "helping to foster a climate for hate to thrive" and of "fundamentally mischaracterising" the law.[75][21] Protests erupted on campus, some including violence, and the controversy attracted international media attention.[76][77][78] When asked in September 2016 if he would comply with the request of a student to use a preferred pronoun, Peterson said "it would depend on how they asked me [...] If I could detect that there was a chip on their shoulder, or that they were [asking me] with political motives, then I would probably say no [...] If I could have a conversation like the one we're having now, I could probably meet them on an equal level".[78] Two months later, the National Post published an op-ed by Peterson in which he elaborated on his opposition to the bill and explained why he publicly made a stand against it:

I will never use words I hate, like the trendy and artificially constructed words "zhe" and "zher." These words are at the vanguard of a post-modern, radical leftist ideology that I detest, and which is, in my professional opinion, frighteningly similar to the Marxist doctrines that killed at least 100 million people in the 20th century. I have been studying authoritarianism on the right and the left for 35 years. I wrote a book, Maps of Meaning: The Architecture of Belief, on the topic, which explores how ideologies hijack language and belief. As a result of my studies, I have come to believe that Marxism is a murderous ideology. I believe its practitioners in modern universities should be ashamed of themselves for continuing to promote such vicious, untenable and anti-human ideas, and for indoctrinating their students with these beliefs. I am therefore not going to mouth Marxist words. That would make me a puppet of the radical left, and that is not going to happen. Period.[79]

Peterson at the University of Toronto in March 2017

In response to the controversy, academic administrators at the University of Toronto sent Peterson two letters of warning, one noting that free speech had to be made in accordance with human rights legislation and the other adding that his refusal to use the preferred personal pronouns of students and faculty upon request could constitute discrimination. Peterson speculated that these warning letters were leading up to formal disciplinary action against him, but in December the university assured him that he would retain his professorship, and in January 2017 he returned to teach his psychology class at the University of Toronto.[80][21]

In February 2017, Maxime Bernier, candidate for leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, stated that he shifted his position on Bill C-16, from support to opposition, after meeting with Peterson and discussing it.[81] Peterson's analysis of the bill was also frequently cited by senators who were opposed to its passage.[82] In April 2017, Peterson was denied a Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council (SSHRC) grant for the first time in his career, which he interpreted as retaliation for his statements regarding Bill C-16.[28] A media relations adviser for SSHRC said "[c]ommittees assess only the information contained in the application".[83] In response, The Rebel Media launched an Indiegogo campaign on Peterson's behalf.[84] The campaign raised C$195,000 by its end on May 6, equivalent to over two years of research funding.[85] In May 2017, Peterson spoke against Bill C-16 at a Canadian Senate committee on legal and constitutional affairs hearing. He was one of 24 witnesses who were invited to speak about the bill.[82]

In November 2017, a teaching assistant at Wilfrid Laurier University first year communications course was censured by her professors for showing a segment of The Agenda, which featured Peterson debating Bill C-16 with another professor, during a classroom discussion about pronouns.[86][87][88] The reasons given for the censure included the clip creating a "toxic climate", being compared to a "speech by Hitler",[22] and being itself in violation of Bill C-16.[89] The censure was later withdrawn and both the professors and the university formally apologized.[90][91][92] The events were criticized by Peterson, as well as several newspaper editorial boards[93][94][95] and national newspaper columnists[96][97][98][99] as an example of the suppression of free speech on university campuses. In June 2018, Peterson filed a $1.5-million lawsuit against Wilfrid Laurier University, arguing that three staff members of the university had maliciously defamed him by making negative comments about him behind closed doors.[100] Wilfried Laurier asked that the lawsuit be dismissed, saying that it was ironic for a purported advocate of free speech to attempt to curtail free speech.[101]

Gender relations and masculinity

Peterson has argued that there is an ongoing "crisis of masculinity" and "backlash against masculinity" where the "masculine spirit is under assault".[16][102][103][104] He has argued that feminism and policies such as no-fault divorce have had adverse effects on gender relations and destabilized society.[102] He has argued that the existing societal hierarchy that the "left" has characterised as an "oppressive patriarchy" might "be predicated on competence."[16] Peterson has said that men without partners are likely to become violent, and has noted that "enforced monogamy", i.e. societies wherein monogamy is a social norm, decrease male violence.[16][102] He has attributed the rise of Donald Trump and far-right European politicians to what he says is a push to "feminize" men, saying "If men are pushed too hard to feminize they will become more and more interested in harsh, fascist political ideology."[105] He attracted considerable attention over a 2018 Channel 4 interview where he clashed with interviewer Cathy Newman on the topic of the gender pay gap.[106][107] Peterson disputed that the gender pay gap was solely due to sexual discrimination.[107][108][109] Writing for The New York Times, Nellie Bowles said that most of Peterson's ideas "stem from a gnawing anxiety around gender".[16]

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